Fever, Zionism, Secularism

[tcpip]

Spent two days off sick from work this week. On Sunday afternoon fellow gamers noted that I looked decidedly off-colour, but I managed to participate in good humour just the same - having decided that the language of Middle-Earth's Dalish needs to be expressed in the accent of the Swedish chef from the Muppets (if Rohirric is similar to old Anglo-Saxon, then Dalish is Swedish). OK, maybe that was the first signs of impending delirium, because all through Sunday night and throughout Monday and Tuesday I was hot, felt cold and clammy, constantly dehydrated.

I have finally finished an essay on Apartheid and Zionism, which nobody of a partisan persuasion will agree with, and follows on somewhat from a previous essay The Country of Palestine : A Zero State Solution. Appropriately today I went to a small lunch in honor of Nigel Sinnott's 70th birthday at Halina Strnad's home; there's a four hour interview with Halina available on Youtube including her experiences in Auschwitz and Stutthof.

Nigel been a secular activist for his entire life, and is a former editor of The Freethinker. A truly intelligent atheist and committed liberal in the British Oxfordshire tradition, his opinions are deeply considered and balanced. Other attendees included a number of people involved in the Humanist Society. Halina too is a member and delighted attendees with a story of a local Jewish function where a younger member at her table (who obviously didn't know) called her self-description as a secular Jew as an oxymoron. "What right do you have to call yourself a Jew?", he asked the holocaust survivor. It's where gallows humour meets irony.

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[iris]

Ahh, I hope you feel better now! Flus and fevers are the worst. I'm find with a cold, but for some reason when fever hits.. I become a huge baby. =

[tcpip]

Yes, all better now, thank you.

All in all, it wasn't so bad. The headache and tiredness from not being able to sleep with the fever was probably the worst part.

[(Anonymous)]

Jewishness as a 'race' or a religion is one of those things that keeps coming up in one form or another. Some genii out there tend to pull out their trump card with 'but the Nazi's said it was a race!'. Do we want to let the Nazis define our identities or form our arguments?

My view is that Jewishness is, clearly, a religion. You can read all about it in the Old Testament. There are many who are lapsed or entirely secular Jews and that is fine in the same way that most people who class themselves as Christians have no formal involvement whatsoever with any branch of the Church. Anyone can lay claim to membership of any religion with complete authenticity as no human authority can say otherwise with any certainty.

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

One of brilliant entries in the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia is for anti-semitism, and points out that in order for there to be anti-semitism there has to be a notion of the Semitic. Persecution of the Jews in Europe, at least in modern times where "race" was being established as an idea, derived from the assumption that because their religion of Semitic that they were too, and hence polluting European Christendom.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1603&letter=A#4621

It is all madness of course, and I constantly find myself returning to the point of how human beings desire to be part of a collectivity for the mental security, yet then use that membership to differentiate and persecute members of other constructed collectives - overlooking the visceral reality of their membership to the same species.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

I think that denies shared cultural heritage and experiences, which is the defining aspect of an ethnicity, if not a "race". The holocaust has nothing to do with the old testament, yet there are plenty of atheists around to whom it is a central event to their personal and family histories. The same could be said for food, language and music. There's more to being a Jew than the religion. If you can't use the term "secular Jew" (which pretty clearly says that you identify with the cultural, if not religious aspects of Jewish people) then how do you class all those people who are clearly of the same ethnic group, but do not have a religion that binds them together?

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

It is true there is more to it than religion, but the religion, the religious heritage, and in particular, the persecution for a religious heritage, is the foundation of the historical shared identity.

Of course one can be a secular Jew, just as there are secular Christians (or for that matter, Christian atheists).

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[jonathankorman.livejournal.com]

nobody of a partisan persuasion will agree with

True of almost anything said about Israel ….

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

Heh, isn't that a fact?

I'm interested on your thoughts on the matter, because you've written about this in the past.

[jonathankorman.livejournal.com]

I don't have much to say, I'm afraid, because I agree with you completely.

The segment about the definition of the word "Zionism" is something I'll be referencing in times to come, I am sure. For years I've been meaning to write something similar; it is convenient for me that you've done a better job of it than I would have.

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

Well how about? Thank you for the kind words, sir!

[marlowe1.livejournal.com]

WHen I was trying to pitch a Cracked article on converting to Judaism, one of the entries as that no matter what you thought of Israel, you would be very angry.

A few editors liked it but a bunch kept giving the note "I know lots of Jews who don't care about Israel" which isn't really the point. I pretty much gave up on that article (and writing for Cracked - but not outright) when that entry turned out to be a hard sell.

[mangled-packets.livejournal.com]

dang, you can write well.

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

Thank you; I think it partially comes from having an arts degree and plenty of practise. Maybe also partially due to a seething passion on many issues.

[strang-er.livejournal.com]

Say, do you have any more information or links on discriminatory policies that are applied within Israel?

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

Apart from citizenship and land policy, education seems to be a big issue.

* The summary of the Or commission made to: "Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory. The establishment did not show sufficient sensitivity to the needs of the Arab population, and did not take enough action in order to allocate state resources in an equal manner. The state did not do enough or try hard enough to create equality for its Arab citizens or to uproot discriminatory or unjust phenomenon. Meanwhile, not enough was done to enforce the law in the Arab sector, and the illegal and undesirable phenomena that took root there."
https://web.archive.org/web/20071001144625/http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=335594

* According to the Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education, the Israeli government spends an average of $192 per year on each Arab student and $1,100 per Jewish student. It also notes that drop-out rate for Israeli Arab citizens is twice as high as that of their Jewish counterparts (12 percent versus 6 percent). The same group also noted that in 2005 there was a 5,000-classroom shortage in the Arab sector.
http://www.nif.org/content.cfm?id=2343&currbody=1

There is also various religious family courts as well.