Labor vs Greens: A Contrarian View?
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tcpipI have just returned from a Collingwood-Fitzroy meeting of the ALP with the ominous title "Labor vs the Greens". The chief speaker was Jane Garnett, a state MP and national vice-president who recently wrote a rather unsophisticated piece on the Greens. The speech was mainly the sort of platitudes you'd expect; how wonderful Labor was and how evil the Greens were. Most of the comments and questions afterwards followed this line, bar one wise individual who pointed out how Labor was absolutely trounced in Queensland and New South Wales, and it can be hardly expected that the Greens were at fault for that.
I was given the opportunity to speak and mentioned that for several years now I have been advocating a coalition between Labor and the Greens. I reminded the audience that the Greens are not an Australian phenomenon, but rather an international movement. I also pointed out that the Greens are not going away; they draw their votes from an inner urban middle class (an objective basis) with a social liberal ideology (a subjective basis) - just as Labor draws its votes from the working class with a democratic socialist ideology. My final remarks were that there was virtually nothing to be gained by Labor going to war with the Greens. Even if the campaign to do so was wildly successful it halved the Greens vote, that would provide Labor 1% in the 2PP stakes - Labor needs to win back working-class people who have gone to the Coalition instead. Win 5-6% of those voters back, we're back at equal pegging.
I prefaced my introduction that I felt that I was probably in a minority of one at the meeting. Mathematical analysis, whilst inevitably true, is often little competition against ideological faith. As I left the pub, I confess I felt very disappointed; predicting from the numbers that the Labor Party would be in permanent opposition without an alliance with the Greens did not go down so well. Or so I thought; several people came out afterwards and thanked me for standing up; not only for having the courage to give a contrary view, but for giving one that actually that had analysis, and was correct in its conclusions.
The Labor Party cannot govern without an alliance with the Greens. The Greens cannot implement their policies without a Labor government. Despite the bad blood between the two, that is why they need to form a coalition. Unfortunately, I suspect it will only be after a devastating loss at the next Federal election that the leadership of Labor and the Greens will come to this realisation.
Nota bene: A piece by Alex White was also circulated at the meeting; I have had the opportunity to engage in some comments on that.
I was given the opportunity to speak and mentioned that for several years now I have been advocating a coalition between Labor and the Greens. I reminded the audience that the Greens are not an Australian phenomenon, but rather an international movement. I also pointed out that the Greens are not going away; they draw their votes from an inner urban middle class (an objective basis) with a social liberal ideology (a subjective basis) - just as Labor draws its votes from the working class with a democratic socialist ideology. My final remarks were that there was virtually nothing to be gained by Labor going to war with the Greens. Even if the campaign to do so was wildly successful it halved the Greens vote, that would provide Labor 1% in the 2PP stakes - Labor needs to win back working-class people who have gone to the Coalition instead. Win 5-6% of those voters back, we're back at equal pegging.
I prefaced my introduction that I felt that I was probably in a minority of one at the meeting. Mathematical analysis, whilst inevitably true, is often little competition against ideological faith. As I left the pub, I confess I felt very disappointed; predicting from the numbers that the Labor Party would be in permanent opposition without an alliance with the Greens did not go down so well. Or so I thought; several people came out afterwards and thanked me for standing up; not only for having the courage to give a contrary view, but for giving one that actually that had analysis, and was correct in its conclusions.
The Labor Party cannot govern without an alliance with the Greens. The Greens cannot implement their policies without a Labor government. Despite the bad blood between the two, that is why they need to form a coalition. Unfortunately, I suspect it will only be after a devastating loss at the next Federal election that the leadership of Labor and the Greens will come to this realisation.
Nota bene: A piece by Alex White was also circulated at the meeting; I have had the opportunity to engage in some comments on that.
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Date: 2012-08-07 11:43 pm (UTC)"Vastly increased" seems almost to be a certainty!
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Date: 2012-08-07 11:50 pm (UTC)Besides the long distance from most of my friends and family, the only things I know I'll be sad about are the apparent impossibility of bringing any food products with me, the high tax on imported alcohol (I have a collection), the very high shipping costs to and from the US, and the difficulty of bringing in certain of my weapons. But those things pale compared to how much enjoyment I'm anticipating!
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Date: 2012-08-09 12:03 am (UTC)Look forward to your arrival!