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The final session of the NZ E-Research Symposium at the University of Otaga has just finished. I presented a brief paper on teaching HPC to researchers before engaging in a practical example by running a couple of minor jobs on the BlueFern. As part of the conference dinner last night was spent at Lanarch Castle, complete with a haggis ceremony. A special meeting was held by the Dunedin Linux Users Group for my benefit; they had an excellent turnout for a city of its size and with animated conversation. Also managed to visit the Ravensbourne home, where we met the student tenants in person, who have proven to a very responsible and thoughtful group; they can stay there as long as they want as far as I'm concerned.

As usual I am impressed by so much about The South. We flew in via Christchurch and stayed at the deco City Motor Lodge which has survived the recent spate of earthquakes, unlike its neighbours. The poor city of ChCh has really suffered a great deal with large sections of the central city still closed to traffic, and red and yellow stickers adorning a multitude of buildings. The stern normalacy and occassional humour expressed by those who had an earthquake just a fortnight ago is typical of human resilience in a real disaster. The people complaining about their flights being delayed because of the Chilean ash cloud can just suck it up as far as I'm concerned; first-world problems.

Prior to the New Zealand flight I spoke twice on Sunday; the first was at the Humanity Plus Conference (after a gruelling but very impressive prior day where I presented with the title More Human Than Human: The Computation of Moral Reasoning where I argued that (a) computational capacity will not provide artificial intelligence, (b) the physics of consciousness are unknown and possibly unknowable and (c) that consciousnesses is linguistically mediated, is not rules-based, and requires moral (conscience) decision making. After that I walked to the local Unitarian Church and gave an address with the provocative title Unitarian-Universalism: The Only Religion for the Twenty-First Century where I combined two sides of my recent MBA studies (strategy and leadership) to suggest a necessary plan for growth and to counter fundamentalist religions.

Date: 2011-07-01 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ferrouswheel.livejournal.com
Interesting, although I don't agree that computational theories of the mind don't allow for "the formation of new shared symbolic values". The core thing here is that computational representations of mind are by necessity interacting with an uncertain environment, and sharing the same experiences with another agent will result in a "shared symbolic value", so long as those agents share the same theory of mind.

Which could be construed as an argument against humans and AIs ever understanding each other. ;p

Date: 2011-07-04 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
If new shared symbolic values with mutual understanding could be formed, what are the rules-based system that ensure this?

New symbolic values are, of course, a necessary but not sufficient requirement in my opinion for sapience, for resolving the "other minds" problem.

Date: 2011-07-04 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ferrouswheel.livejournal.com
OpenCog ;-p

Which is a combination synergistic systems including Probabilistic Logic Networks (whose terms have uncertain probabilities weighted by evidence), attention allocation, and pattern mining, all using locality of experience to make the processes not collapse in the face of combinatorial explosion.

Date: 2011-07-04 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
You are, of course, quite correct about OpenCog. I have an interest in the area and approach from a different angle, so I should have a closer look at the project.

One of the very clever distinctions made by one of the camera people at the conference was that between "Artificial Intelligence" (which follows rules-based systems) and "Artificial Consciousness", which is more my angle of approach.

AI and Humans

Date: 2011-07-01 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ferret-otaku.livejournal.com
How can we define when AI understands humans?
Communicating with something of similar "intelligence" to us, but alien, usch as AI, may be one of the biggest challenges to humanity.

Re: AI and Humans

Date: 2011-07-01 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ferret-otaku.livejournal.com
Ahh "such as AI," my spell checker failed or maybe it decided to let the mistake through?

((Cue music Theme to "The Twilight Zone"...))

Re: AI and Humans

Date: 2011-07-04 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
I certainly believe that the intelligence would be quite alien - but not completely alien. After all, they would inhabit the same universe as us, albeit with a very different phenomenological experience of that universe.

Date: 2011-07-04 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-figgy.livejournal.com
Certainly a provocative title for an address, but not particularly threatening at that. If there were groups of people peacefully standing around holding up signs saying "Unitarian-Universalism: Today Our Religion, Possibly Your Future Religion In Due Course And With Your Consent", that might be surreal.

Date: 2011-07-04 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
It is provocative in the sense that one normally would see such a title from a fundamentalist perspective.

Interestingly I encountered a service by the minister of the Knox (Presbyterian) Church in Dunedin, which had virtually the same content that one would find from a UU theological perspective. It was quite a pleasant surprise.

As for the signs, they might be surreal, but certainly appropriate.

Date: 2011-07-05 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-figgy.livejournal.com
Yep, I learned the meaning of Knox a while back. There's a part of the University of Toronto campus owned by the Presbyterians, which has the appropriate name of Knox College. The building I saw was beautiful. The band that was looking around with me for photoshoot locales thought it was great, and not as overused as the Hart House.

However, they're smart folks who see people coming in to take photos in/around/of the building all the time; you require a permit which is a little over a hundred dollars. In return, you get sections of the building entirely to yourself.

The band still declined. I didn't say anything because they were the ones agreeing to pay any money required, so it was their decision. I did keep the business card in case I want to go there with a different group for the same purpose.

Date: 2011-07-05 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Knox Church in Dunedin is quite pretty itself.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1248/597939061_98f72c9bd7_o.jpg

Knox himself is a little more questionable; has become somewhat notorious after writing about how women shouldn't be allowed in government.

Still, have to say about the NZ Presbyterians, they're a studious and liberal lot. The one's in Dunedin in particular are quite good; they left Scotland because the Scottish church was too dogmatic and authoritarian. Looks like they've certainly kept to that tradition.

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