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Diary of a B+ Grade Polymath ([personal profile] tcpip) wrote2006-11-13 08:15 am

Iraq, U.S. Elections, Novel and Various Events

Dr Daniel Mandel, of the history of department at the University of Melbourne, made claims that the west didn't really support Saddam. The editors of The Age had the good sense to publish my reminder to him this morning.

Iraq, as we all know in el-jay land, featured highly in the U.S. mid-term elections where the results were a thumpin' for the pro-war forces and the quagmire they have put themselves into. What is also worthy of mentioning is was also the first ever election of a self-identified socialist to the U.S. senate.

My novel, The Outcast Girl, is going well although I am a little behind in the NaNaWriMo recommended wordcount. Historical fiction does have its own difficulties, especially when one is including anthropological hermeneutics. The experience is very much making me want to take another visit to Java and Bali.

Various other events of the last week include re-presenting my talk on Open Source Economics at Linux Users Victoria on Wednesday, once again dovetailing with Jon Oxer's Pragmatic Idealism presentation. On the lagamorph front, Astaroth rabbit has lost his balls but has recovered without incident. On Saturday, [livejournal.com profile] caseopaya and I travelled out to the Dandenong Ranges and the Yarra Valley, specifically to visit the William Rickett's sanctuary. Appropriately Joel Wright of the NTEU gave a good presentation at the Unitarians the following day on the Stolen Wages campaign.

[identity profile] severina-242.livejournal.com 2006-11-12 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
As Douglas Adams said, he had no formal relationships with dogs. He didn't have to feed, walk, delouse or (and this applies to your rabbit) "suddenly arrange for any of its internal organs to be removed when they displease me."

A typically DNA way of talking about animals getting their 'nads removed.

PS: I've got the worst flu I've ever had at the moment.

You know, this is probably not a popular thing to say, but I don't like William Rickett's sanctuary, and when people suggest a visit, I make my excuses.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-12 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)

A typically DNA way of talking about animals getting their 'nads removed.

He had reached "that age". I felt sorry for the poor fella, but it was either removal of 'nads or release him into the great blue yonder.

but I don't like William Rickett's sanctuary

Why not? You're always allowed to be unpopular around me.

[identity profile] severina-242.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I like the place, but not the art.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 01:11 am (UTC)(link)

More disembodied heads floating about?

Some of the symbolism I found a little superficial. But when returning through Melbourne's outer eastern suburbs I realised that even superficial spiritual symbolism would be too confronting to the majority.

[identity profile] severina-242.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
I thought it was actually all too conservative and decorative.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:15 am (UTC)(link)

Stylistically you are quite correct; it was conservative and decorative, but even that would be confrontational to the white masses that Rickett wanted to pitch to. I can also see why the Arrente people were more than a little perturbed with realistic presentations of their deceased.

The other thing I found interesting is that the overall output didn't seem that great.

[identity profile] severina-242.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
It's like the recent exhibitions that the NGV has had - crowd pleasers, like the recent Picasso exhibition - nice and safe, people know his name and have been told that it's okay to like Picasso, so they all go and rave on about what a genius he was because someone conservative has told them so. I get the same feeling at the William Ricketts sancuary, people raving on about the art because someone has told them it's okay to like it. People not actually considering whether they like it or not.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:43 am (UTC)(link)

I think the majority of what people get out of it is not the art as such, but the art in the location. Certainly that was my overall feeling.

Pretty place in the Hills

[identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
For the 'location' part, go find loudehill. If you get bored with the formal gardens and modern art, head off into the wild woods. (look for "Rangeview" under that link.) So good, Brian Froud drew a picture of it when he visited.

(Cloudehill was also the site of [livejournal.com profile] usuakari and [livejournal.com profile] tooticky's wedding.)

Re: Pretty place in the Hills

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 05:16 am (UTC)(link)

Oh, pretty. And an opportunity to buy more plants.

[identity profile] omnot.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
It's probably because I spend way too much time at traditional/representational art shows, but although William Rickett's sculptures don't move me noticeably, they don't offend me with their naf-ness either. I usually respond to less-than-breathtaking art by homing in on technique. I would not mind being able to carve/sculpt like that, to be honest. ;-)

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 10:18 am (UTC)(link)

From the little I know of the subject I believe clay is a lot easier to work with than other material.

Like yourself I'm in between on the moving/nafness side of Mr. Rickett. I suspect [livejournal.com profile] severina_242's critical eye comes from being an artist that appreciates confrontation in form. She once said to me that you can get away with being average in subject matter or technical execution but not both. Wise words, imo.

[identity profile] rhapsodical78.livejournal.com 2006-11-12 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Good letter.

How is Astaroth getting along with Vagabond and Rogue?

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-12 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Good letter.

Cheers. I also had a response to Ramos-Horta's aggregate figure, but that was edited.

How is Astaroth getting along with Vagabond and Rogue?

Well, we spotted Rogue with a mouthful of rabbit fur the other night after 'stroth snuck into the ratzone. In general however they can be in the same room at the same time under careful supervision.

[identity profile] tau-iota-mu-c.livejournal.com 2006-11-12 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if Vagabond and Rogue would fend off the cat that has been coming around my place taunting my little kitties?


Hey Lev,
Very short notice, but assuming I can't get alternate accomodation closer to Hawthorn, would you be able to put me up for just Tuesday night (tomorrow night)? These melbourne trips are damned expensive -- hope TAC end up reimbursing me.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-12 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)

Sure, I reckon that would be fine.

[identity profile] cluebyfour.livejournal.com 2006-11-12 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Good "reminder" re: the US support of Saddam. We had no problem letting Saddam play with his toys as long as it was other Iraqis dying. Only when he threatened something important to the US (namely, oil) did we suddenly feel compelled to take them away.

Anyway, I completely missed the fact that Sanders was elected to the Senate. I heard he'd won, but I thought it was just re-election to the House. It will be interesting to see how his principles play out there. Ron Paul has always been a hero to libertarians while serving in the House because of his stands against the war and pork-barrel spending and the like. But he's also largely marginalized within the GOP as the lone voice crying in the wilderness, so to speak, and now even more so since the Republicans have lost majority control.

Sanders' situation is a bit more interesting, however, since the Dems have a razor-thin majority in the Senate. His vote has a lot more weight now than it did in the House. Will he continue to stick to principles or seek compromise?

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
We had no problem letting Saddam play with his toys as long as it was other Iraqis dying.

Well, and Iranians. Indeed, there was a body of opinion among conservatives at the time that wished for the war to continue as long as possible.

Ron Paul has always been a hero to libertarians while serving in the House because of his stands against the war and pork-barrel spending and the like.

I reckon Rob Paul and Bernie Sanders should caucus. Just imagine a "Libertarian Socialist" bloc!

[identity profile] cluebyfour.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
Just imagine a "Libertarian Socialist" bloc!

LOL, imagine the screaming in the halls of Congress when they learn what "libertarian socialist" means!

However, I feel a Saunders/Paul affiliation would founder once talk turned to Social Security and healthcare. But it would be interesting enough if they just stuck to the issues they agree on.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 10:07 am (UTC)(link)

LOL, imagine the screaming in the halls of Congress when they learn what "libertarian socialist" means!

*nods* A political ideology that would cause so much fear they'd label it 'cultural terrorism'.


I feel a Saunders/Paul affiliation would founder once talk turned to Social Security and healthcare.


Oh, I'm pretty sure they could come to a compromise on the issue... Just call it a "Citizen's Dividend" derived from natural resource rents for example..

[identity profile] blot.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
omg I didnt know that about sanders! I thought he was just an independant. That is SO COOL!

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 12:41 am (UTC)(link)

I find his friendship with Walter Block interesting. I suppose my suggestion of a libertarian socialist caucus is not so crazy after all.

[identity profile] tau-iota-mu-c.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
First muslim to congress, too. And I thought Australia was xenophobic, but the day that Muslims start taking over congress, is the day that the red commies have won:

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=41422

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 12:25 am (UTC)(link)

Ah yes, Muslim congress member I remember that now.

Thanks for the FreeConservative board link. They weren't happy were they? :)

For our own part Australia has decided to abolish multiculturalism

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20697488-601,00.html

[identity profile] a-carnal-mink.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 01:59 am (UTC)(link)

For our own part Australia has decided to abolish multiculturalism

Oh dear, so we are. *reads*

"In a move seen as a shift in emphasis away from fostering diversity and towards increasing integration and responsibility among migrants, the government is canvassing alternative words to describe how ethnic communities harmoniously integrate into Australian society."

Heh. I suggest "New Australian". That seems to grasp the concept they're going for, doesn't it? "We were here before you, so you just sit down and be quiet until the next pleb in line comes along, then you can say this to them with us!"

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:09 am (UTC)(link)

*ding* *ding* *ding*

We have a winner!

[identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
We could try "polyculturalism".

Just saying.

[identity profile] jahbulon.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
Or how about Conformity Enforcement?

Oh don't you start ;-)

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 06:46 am (UTC)(link)

That was an amusing discussion.

[identity profile] jahbulon.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
WE ARE AUSTRALIANS
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED
CULTURAL PERSISTENCE IS USELESS

[identity profile] tau-iota-mu-c.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
EXT! TERM! IN! ATE!

OH, SORRY, MAL! FUNC! TION!

[identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
YOUR UNIQUENESS WILL BE DISCARDED IN FAVOUR OF OUR OWN.

[identity profile] jahbulon.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
Hahahaha... I'm going to be PUNished for laughing at that.
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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 02:49 am (UTC)(link)

Ellison wrote supportive articles of NoI some ten to twenty years ago which he has since retracted. He denies ever being a member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_%28politician%29#Nation_of_Islam

[identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
Oops, my mistake. Thanks for the correction!

[identity profile] aske.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Good stuff. Saw your letter whilst poking through the papers at work this morning and was curious to read the original letter. And what a bonus - it's right after a letter from the predictable Michael Burd, heh.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 01:14 am (UTC)(link)

... and I didn't even have to mention certain U.S. academics claiming Saddam's poison gas was residue bee shit.

[identity profile] omnot.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 10:46 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for not letting people like Dr Mandel re-write history unchallenged. Whether he was aware of the inaccuracy of what he was stating or not, I am genuinely grateful that someone with the relevant knowledge is watching - and acting to redress the balance.

I know from bitter experience that there are people who will believe whatever supports their preferred world view, and they will promulgate their views - and their purported evidence - to any who will listen. Trying to debate with them is pointless unless you are actively seeking real-life illustrations of Logical Fallacies. What is achieved by entering into discourse with such people is to educate the section of the audience who might not otherwise be exposed to evidence that opposes the strident arguments of the Utterly Convinced.

Someone has to reply to letters from people like Dr Mandel, and you do it well.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)

Regardless of whether Dr. Mandel was aware of the facts isn't the main issue in this case, although obviously you would expect a historian to have some knowledge of actual events. What was particularly frustrating was that he used, as pivotal and definitive answers, criteria that was obviously trivial and irrelevant to the discussion at hand. A protest at a U.S. embassy in Iraq? A quote from Ramos-Horta? These are almost totally irrelevant to the critical question of the west's support (or lack thereof) for the Hussein regime.

You are quite right in noting that many debates are almost a waste of time, unless one is looking for logical fallacies as an excersise, or trolling with a little bit of time to spare. One can usually tell fairly quickly if a person is genuinely interested in protecting and promoting their point of view or not.

[identity profile] taavi.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
your "os economics talk" is missing a .com in its address

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)

Cheers. Fixed that.

99% of coding errors are typos.