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Diary of a B+ Grade Polymath ([personal profile] tcpip) wrote2010-12-10 12:28 am

Dunedin, Tooth, Wikileaks, Opportunity Costs

Regular readers would know that I have a certain fondess for a small city in The South Island of New Zealand. Early this week I went to Dunedin to look at an investment property (i.e., place to retire in). I received notification today that the current owners (the Dunedin Chinese Methodist Church) are happy to accept my offer for the delightfully deco former Maori Freemasons Lodge, built 1933. Images (ravensbourne00.jpg .. ravenbourne09.jpg, follow the obvious sequence) available.

Second visit for root canal therapy this morning. The prognosis is not good. Despite having a fine set of fangs in most instances, it seems that my poor cracked tooth (bottom right molar) is beyond the abilities of medical science (at least within reasonable cost) and will have to be removed.

There is much to be said about Wikileaks and the recent arrest of its founder, Julien Assange. A large protest is looming in his home town of Melbourne. I have had brief email conversation with him in the past around the founding of the Isocracy Network; and (arranged prior to this recent major media event) will be speaking about Wikileaks at the Melbourne Unitarian Church on January. Also conducting the service this Sunday on Lyle Allen's address on local democracy.

Finally, macabre explanation of opportunity costs (hat-tip to Brendan E) "I think dead children should be used as a unit of currency. I know this sounds controversial, but hear me out."
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[personal profile] br3nda 2010-12-11 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Dunedin is nice. A friend of mine is MP of Dunedin south -- also Metiria Turei, list MP and head of Greens is based there.. gosh there are many brilliant people who left Dunedin AND THEN CAME BACK TO DUNEDIN. Speaks highly for the town.

[identity profile] rezendi.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Owning a former Maori Freemasons Lodge is, indeed, a very cool thing. You should start a secret society or something.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking it would make a very useful space for a range of useful activities....

Hmmm.. Maybe Wikileaks could move in there..

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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's what the dentist is leaning towards. But as you say, it's on the uber-expensive scale of things..

[identity profile] severina-242.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
That's what I need. Yes it is expensive, but it's worth it. Shop around!

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
I'm tempted not to bother with the replacement and just get the thing pulled...

[identity profile] lifedistilled.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd appreciate some kind of bullet-point or notes-taken from the speech you give about Wikileaks. My feelings about Assange and about WikiLeaks' stated vs. acted-upon goals are pretty conflicted at the moment, and it'd be nice to have something I can use as an anchor.

Congratulations on the property. It looks swell. :)

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure, I almost always put my presentations up in the web... What is the conflict you're seeing between stated and acted on goals?

[identity profile] lifedistilled.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
It's my impression that Assange has stated in the past that WikiLeaks had a specific goal of undermining the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as attempting to expose what he considers United States imperialism. My assumption (and I haven't heard Assange say one way or another, so this is just that, an assumption) is that he disapproves of the wars due to the humanitarian issues they've caused, i.e. the death toll of innocent civilians and creation of refugees.

If, however, his goal is the prevention of loss of innocent civilian life, why did he not go to the trouble of blacking out or otherwise editing the names of civilians who were working with US forces in the region, and who have now had their names exposed for anyone who cares to look?

It feels like it was a rush-job, a "get it to press immediately" situation that should have been handled with a great deal more care and thoroughness if the purpose is truly 'open press' and humanitarian concerns.

Assange's motivations and biases seem to be at odds with the WikiLeaks ideal of a whistleblowing, unbiased, no-secrets press.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
It's my impression that Assange has stated in the past that WikiLeaks had a specific goal of undermining the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,

I don't think that was a specific objective, but certainly a result. They did have a "post anonymously" without editorialship, but faced with justified criticism they amended that policy.

The issue of editing names is one which has been, I believe, addressed in part. The 92,000 Afghan War documents were released to The Guardian, the NYT and Der Spiegel. About 15,000 of those documents have not been released, and the organisation is reviewing them on the grounds that you raise; in fact they have even asked the Pentagon and Amnesty International to assist them in this process, but neither has responded positively.


[identity profile] lifedistilled.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
The trouble with asking the Pentagon is that by doing so, the Pentagon would be validating the methods by which the documents were obtained. They simply can't do that, I don't think.

[identity profile] sebastianne.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Nice purchase! That place would be an interior decorator's dream :)

Very interesting article, and certainly parallels some of my beliefs around the ethics of consumerism and out societies fiscal priorities, be they in the public or personal arena.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
There's a lot of interesting things that can be done with the secret base...

WRT to the opportunity costs issue it is just damn weird what some people spend money on and disturbing when practical costs are considered. At least with the above I can sort-of justify the purchase of a residential building....

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_fustian/ 2010-12-09 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Maori Lodge 105: awesome. If first impressions are anything to go by, we may well retire to Oamaru, so we'll be just up the road.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oamaru is a very charming place, certainly one of my favourites little locations. Usually make an effort to drop in there when I'm in The South (but not this time, alas).

BTW, the interior walls of the Lodge hall are made from Oamaru stone.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_fustian/ 2010-12-10 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
Had you stopped in at Oamaru on the weekend you might have bumped into us. We were there to catch the last day of the Steampunk Exhibition. Very impressive. We're going to be bringing some stuff over for the one-night-only exhibition we're having at Euchronia.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Alas, I wasn't there for the weekend. Flew in Monday, left on Wednesday.

BTW, great news article!
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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
The first rule about the World Domination Sub-Committee....

A fez would look great there. Maybe compulsory hats for all committee members. Although there is stiff competition.
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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
I think I'll pass it on to my MBA course forum and see what the reaction is there :)

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Wouldnt you like to buy a cute small house with a big yard rather than a building like that? Just an idea :)

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-11 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Not for me, where would I keep all my books? :) I believe that that land should be public and the footprint of private people should be as minimal as possible. Big, solid buildings on small blocks, that's my style.

Besides, check it out on google map (Ravensbourne Rd, Dunedin) - and have a look at the natural area nearby, (i.e., Signal Hill parkland etc)...

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2010-12-11 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Funnily, we have a Signal Hill here too, in CT.

[identity profile] shadow-5tails.livejournal.com 2010-12-11 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Congratulations on the acquisition! It's an intriguing-looking building - lots of interesting possibilities for that space.
(Though I imagine that you don't get to keep the two grand pianos, alas...)

Good luck with the dentistry, too.

As for the Dead-Children-as-currency idea, maybe I'm just cynical, but I think that without a way to overcome the Dunbar Number/"Monkeysphere" issue, the framing wouldn't help any more than The Starving Millions evoked at dinner tables persuade children to eat their dinners...

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-16 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, alas, I don't get the two-grand pianos. Nice real-estate shot tho'! They really did their work on that one.. All I have to do now is think of the plans for the space.. I imagine it might be a bit big for a bedroom (c20m * 10m)

[identity profile] ferret-otaku.livejournal.com 2010-12-15 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
The Lodge:

I guess you don't want to maintain a garden? No homegrown organic veg?

Assange Issues:

We'll be talking about this issue over the fires made from the last drop of oil on earth.

Dead Children as Currency:

How many DCs for a Big Mac?
How many for a bag of crack?
How many for a cure for AIDS?
And what price in DCs to make nukes into spades?

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-12-16 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
I'll outsource the homegrown veg to the rest of NZ - they're very good at it!

As for DCs, all those can be calculated from the current value of 1 DC = 800 USD...