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Diary of a B+ Grade Polymath ([personal profile] tcpip) wrote2010-11-28 08:11 am

Victorian Politics

Spent a thirteen hour shift (setting up, doing HTVs, scrutineer) as the only ALP worker at a small polling booth in Hawthorn yesterday. Results are very uncertain, with the strong possibility of yet another genuinely hung parliament. With no independents, a 44-44 result would mean that another election would have to be called.

It was another god-awful campaign by the Labor Party with appropriate results. Seriously, is there nobody in the Party with the appropriate mix of sociology, marketing and demographics to combine with policy and practise? The "Moving Forward" slogan in the Federal election was nonsense. And "For The Future"? What is that supposed to mean? It means nothing. They are throw away lines with no content, no theme, and no promise.

Now compare those with the Greens. "Your Vote Is Powerful". That says something. Even better, consider the Tories. "Fix The Problems. Build The Future." Abbot's negative (and utterly wrong) "stop the boats, end big new taxes, stop waste and pay off debt" at least was a statement of intent. Those are themes with substance which people can understand.

What was Labor's message in this campaign? Does anyone know? It's just embarrassing that a Party that has been a pretty good steward over the past decade and had sound policies for this election was utterly unable to capitalise on these features.
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[personal profile] cxcvi 2010-11-28 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
"For the Future" does sound like it's missing the words "Reflection. Surprise. Terror." before it... although now I think about it, I have worrying thoughts along the lines of "what if the Vorlons did politics"...

[identity profile] recumbenteer.livejournal.com 2010-11-27 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone watching the debate from a public transport perspective (and actually helped organise a candidate debate to get the issue into the campaign) ... I can say:

* The ALP undersold their achievements - mainly because all the big commitments were released in the Victorian Transport Plan 6 months before the election. They had no "news" that they could use to cover up recent setbacks (like myki cost blowouts) and the were unable to escape the accusation that they were doing "too little, too late".

* The Liberals recognised the biggest problems in this space (Service "black holes", peak hour overcrowding, and safety fears) and made some gutsy promises to address these problems. These promises seem to have appealed to commuters.

* The Greens, well they were a bit "me too" in this space.




I think the Libs ran a good campaign that focused on the 'growing pains' of Melbourne - and were able to successfully present the government as tired and no longer able to keep up.

The Greens in both the federal and state campaigns have successfully built their brand as the grass roots progressive party. The ALP can fix this with internal reform.

Being an member of the local ALP branch should mean more than being a member of the Collingwood Football Club. It should be a tool for political action, not just a statement of which party you support. More importantly, the ALP should be able to to the electorate as the political wing of a social movement - a key point of difference to the more "managerial" liberals.

Branch decisions should have greater influence over the actions of the parliamentary party - they should let the annual party conference be an ugly bunfight about what the ALP is for and what its trying to achieve.

[identity profile] imajica-lj.livejournal.com 2010-11-27 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
> The ALP can fix this with internal reform.

Care to nominate a few points of suggestion here?

I suspect that dressing up the VLP as progressive conservatives is out with the bath water at this point ...

[identity profile] recumbenteer.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
How do reform the beast that is the ALP to create a strong branch culture?
No idea - I just know that if they can't do it they are in serious trouble.

They've lost the "progressive professionals" to the Greens, and demonstrated they aren't doing a very good job of appealing to the "social conservative working class aspirationals".

Branch reform at least offers a chance to recapture lost ground on the left.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
A long time ago I recommended some changes to the Vic ALP structure, which I really must type up again, seeming I can't find the softcopy...

One of the suggestion was tying "branches" to actual governmental positions, starting from the local council wards (shades of Jefferson!), to state seats and upwards. That's the pragmatic side of winning government. The other component however is that it attaches the very real concerns of people in the respective areas. Tying those concerns to the core political ideology is what I think would be the method to rejuvenate the Party...

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
"Progressive conservatives" is a good summary of the malaise. I suppose they're trying to think that by being economically progressive and socially conservative they can tie into the core working class constituency, and argument I have heard more than a few times.

"Cos abortion and a gay scene, Only meant for the rich" (Tom Robinson, 1978), didn't you know?
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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
That is, of course, a huge problem. There was a great idea to a introduce branch-based component to preselections, but it also led to some massive stacking with some pretty dodgy characters. The solution was to raise minimum membership fees, increase the time required prior to being a voting member etc. I'm not sure (he understates) this was the best and most inclusive method for the Party....

[identity profile] enrobso.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] zey can I just say that I love your icon. That's a classic Pat Troughton face.
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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
The empty-nesters are having a bit of property boom (read: housing will be more expensive, rather than 'boom' meaning more house are available). There are expectations that Ballarat is going to grow to the point of by-passing Hobart, which is why Brumby (being kinda-sorta local) was at least being somewhat attentive to infrastructure in the Ballarat-Bendigo region.

[identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com 2010-11-27 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it can just be blamed on poor campaigning. Elections are never going to be about the last decade; they're about the last few years, and if Labor had managed to handle Myki and the Windsor Hotel debacle better than they did, I doubt we'd be looking at this result now.

But, and I think this is the same thing you're saying, I think the ALP does itself and the country a tremendous disservice by trying to emulate the Coalition's product instead of taking some pride in its own. Laura Norder being a case in point - if you've been governing for the last ten years, it might be better to challenge the assertion that our streets are getting dangerous rather than just playing "who can promise more cops?" The Coalition will always have an inherent advantage when the debate is positioned at 'tough on crime'.

(I think this is much the same thing that's happening at the federal level re. gay marriage. I don't think it can quite be described as 'poll-driven', given that polls FAVOUR gay marriage, but certainly the ALP is trying much too hard to pander to its impression of the swinging voters rather than providing some actual leadership.)

/rant

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
Poor campaigning wasn't the whole story that is quite true. But campaigning is - at least partially - about giving emphasis to the good points of your party and finding fixes to the weak. Transport was Labor's terrible, terrible weak spot (much more than just Myki). It is "mystifying", to use the comment from The Age editorial, that Labor hasn't proposed a unified transport authority.

The example of crime is a good example. As you say, the Tories have a natural advantage on any "tough on crime" line. Why Labor didn't point out that crime has fallen by 20% in the last decade is bizarre as a success story and instead joined in the race to the bottom. I mean, if there was anything that could take the wind out of the Coalition's sails without engaging in negative politicking.

The economy, housing, health etc. These were things that Labor "could have", "should have" campaigned strongly on.
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[identity profile] 17catherines.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Such a depressing election all round.

Also, I realised last night that I have no idea what Ted Baillieu even looks like (Andrew says he looks like a meerkat, but even he only knows this because I pointed out the ad to him).

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
He visited the polling booth I was at and he dropped by. "Tall" is the first word that anyone should use to describe him...

(Unless you're around 6'7" yourself, in which case you'd see eye-to-eye with him)
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[identity profile] 17catherines.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
... also I've just realised I can't remember whether Labor is led by Brumby or Bracks. Whichever he is, he is a bit of a charisma-free zone, I fear...

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
Bracks resigned quite suddenly a few years back. It's been Brumby since then. As the Party leader during Kennett he didn't really have a great time of it (trounced by Kennett in '96). Having finally achieved a position of premier it is uncertain whether he'll win his first (elected) term..
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[identity profile] 17catherines.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 08:14 am (UTC)(link)
Right. Yes, sorry about that, I really thought I knew and then I had this moment of doubt...

[identity profile] enrobso.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sad to say that it took Rupert Murdoch to decide where I directed my preferences in this election. It was only the Herald-Sun's support of the Libs that made me preference Labor.

And whilst I don't welcome the increasingly likely prospect of a Liberal government, I can't say that I lament the passing of the Brumby government.

The only real difference between the Brumby and Kennet governments seems to be that Kennet had personality and the major difference between Brumby and the Cain/Kirner years is that while Cain and Kirner had Tom "failing upwards" Roper, they also had Steve "What do I have to fix this time" Crabbe, Brumby has Justin "I'd really be better coaching a country footy team" Madden and Peter "I used to be a public transport advocate until they made me transport minister" Bachellor.

For me it was the strange situation of a government that deserved to lose and an opposition that didn't deserve to win.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 11:14 am (UTC)(link)
Well, if you follow the antithesis of the Herald-Sun you'll always be voting Labor. It's pretty rare that they make such a suggestion...

I'll differ strongly in your descriptions of the Kennett and Bracks/Brumby governments however. The former was very interested in fancy projects, closing schools (about 350), and sacking teachers (7,000) and other public servants (c16,000) whereas the latter have engaged in some quiet infrastructure spending in the background...

[identity profile] enrobso.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm an Age reader personally. I stopped buying the Herald-Sun some years ago when I realised that I was just subsidising Andrew Bolt's mentalism by buying it.

I nearly gave up buying newspapers altogether until the Age sacked Catherine Deveny earlier this year..

And we'll have to agree to disagree because all I've seen from the Bracks/Brumby government is a lot of interest in fancy projects, a lot of excuses for not building public transport infrastucture, let alone competently managing the existing infrastructure, complete aquiescence to the wishes of property developers and the so-called forestry industry.

I doubt the Liberals will do anything different but as a voter, I resent not being offered an alternative,

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you on public transport. They've continued with that issue being 'outsourced' to the private sector. It's a strange situation that the LNP were able to capitalise on that matter considering that they're the ones who privitised the system in the first place...

[identity profile] enrobso.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree, and don't mistake me for an LNP apologist.

If you know me at all, you'll know I'm not that.

But I'd be happy if Victoria could find a government even marginally to the left or right of Dick Hamer's government.

Instead, we've a host of Henry Boltes on both sides offering circuses, but no bread.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-29 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Nobody who takes their politics seriously is an apologist for any party or government, because their primary interest is the issues, not the vehicle.

If "Red Ted" can really fix the public transport system, replaces stamp duty and payroll tax with a better land tax, keeps up with regional infrastructure spending and starts some serious action on various civil liberties - well, heck, I might even work for his re-election.

[identity profile] mr-figgy.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 07:23 am (UTC)(link)
I hear you. Fantino's signs all say "Here For Canada". To me, that sign is trying to imply that nobody else in the election cares for this country; that they aren't "Here For Canada". More importantly, I'm not sure if it says anything else at all, just something along the lines of "let's find something suitably patriotic that promises nothing".

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
The only possible circumstance I can imagine such a slogan making-sense if the alternative leader was spending far too much time on foreign affairs rather than domestic issues..

[identity profile] mr-figgy.livejournal.com 2010-11-29 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Possibly. If it's to do with the party leaders instead of the actual candidates in this one-riding election, then they are slinging mud at Michael Ignatieff for his time spent abroad. I know that when the Conservatives started running election-style ads in anticipation of elections which didn't actually occur, last year I think, they were attacking Ignatieff for being is-he-British, is-he-American, definitely-not-Canadian.

Iggy doesn't have a ton to do with this bi-election, though. Winning or losing the seat doesn't tip the balance of power in anyone's favour, and it will remain a minority government. I suspect the Liberals and Conservatives are really trying to use this as a bellwether to see what they think might happen if a nation-wide election is called or the government falls on a non-confidence motion.

In fact, this article suggests the same. It's a run-up to when the February budget motion might get defeated. And if you read the whole part where somebody thinks Fantino is a plum pick to win just because he's an Italian running in a very Italian riding, you know a bit of my headache right now.
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[identity profile] ghoststrider.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, you literally cannot have a hung parliament? It must be dissolved immediately? I thought they could stay, if you got some sort of agreement going...

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-28 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the cheeky suggestion of a Labor-National coalition was raised by a former premier.. And you could, in theory, have a "grand coalition" of Labor-Liberal-National. But those are fairly improbable, except perhaps in a state of war.

All of this is academic however, as it now looks likely that the result will be 45-43. Should make for some interesting times.

[identity profile] imajica-lj.livejournal.com 2010-11-29 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
Hi ... excuse me but we are in a state of war.
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[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-29 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly; grand coalitions are relatively rare, but they do happen in such situations. Of course in Switzerland it's the norm to have a government consisting of the largest four parties (the so-called "magic formula"), ensuring that 90% of the electorate has at least some cabinet representation in any government.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2010-11-29 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Liberal-National Coalition; there was no chance of Labor getting 45.

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2010-12-02 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, i've always giggled when hearing of a "hung" parliament :)