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Diary of a B+ Grade Polymath ([personal profile] tcpip) wrote2012-06-15 07:29 pm

Add to the list: Lev is a rat killer

Returned home from an excellent Pendragon session to discover poor Nomad rat (the guy on the right) was gasping for breath. Went through an emergency checklist to deal with such issues; air humidification (i.e,. small steamy room), decongestant (eucalyptus oil), and even the application of a bronchodilator (salbutamol). None of these worked and, short of putting him in an oxygen tent, there was nothing else that could be feasibly done, except euthanasia; you don't want to keep a rat in this condition, it's extremely distressing. Remembering primary school chemistry, I made up a quick combination of bicarbonate of soda and vinegar to create a CO2-rich environment under a blanket (which is a recommended method). He passed out quickly, and I then suffocated my little friend.

Thus ends the short (1.5 yrs) life of Nomad, perhaps the most misnamed of our rodent collection. He was certainly not prone to wandering or wilderness. There was a point in his life some months ago where he'd seem to have lost a lost of his vim and strength, and instead showed great preference to creature comforts, probably due to a stroke, another affliction that rats are prone to. He was certainly was certainly affected significantly from mycoplasma. Despite this he certainly charmed us, and appreciated the affections given to him taking good care at grooming his human servants - even to the afternoon of his demise.

I adhere to utilitarian situational ethics, bounded by universalistic moral reasoning of reciprocity. On this basis it is not just a pet rat that I do not wish such suffering upon, but all living creatures. Because of this I am a supporter of voluntary euthanasia and, indeed, even non-voluntary euthanasia (e.g., post-birth abortion), under some very specific circumstances (e.g., a near-lethal case of epidermolysis bullosa, anencephaly, etc), where both have verified conditions by medical professions. Call it the Socratic with in me; it is not life, but the good life that should be sought, and sometimes no life is better an undignified and tortured forced existence. After all, we were all born, never asked.

[identity profile] leo-sosnine.livejournal.com 2012-06-15 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely agree on euthanasia subject

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2012-06-15 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I find the "pro-life under any circumstances" position untenable. Ultimately it must rely on a metaphysical proposition of inviolable sanctity of life. Obviously under normal circumstances most people are "pro-life". It is when those circumstances are not normal that more nuanced views are required.

[identity profile] leo-sosnine.livejournal.com 2012-06-16 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
I have a simple position here. If life is perceived as good by a person and this person wants that to be continued, then it's a bad decision to take this person's life. But if life is perceived as bad and the person doesn't want to keep it up, than it's a good decision to stop this pointless suffering. If we aren't able to learn person's opinion on the subject (no last will, person can't speak, unconscious) then close friends can make some guesses what person's will would be and enforce it. Ultimately I justify a suicide, if such a decision is made in clear mind and on a rational basis.

I have buried some relatives, I have buried several pets (dogs mostly), some of them suffered from cancer. About 10 years ago I had different opinion (pro-life under any circumstances), but after all of that I changed. It's interesting that for pets social consensus allows euthanasia and in many pet clinics it is offered to poison slowly dying and suffering pet just to make it quick and stop pointless suffering.

Pro-life position, as I see it, is often dictated by strong religious beliefs, or under influence of those who have such beliefs. "Suffering cleanses the soul" and so on.

[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com 2012-06-17 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
If we aren't able to learn person's opinion on the subject (no last will, person can't speak, unconscious) then close friends can make some guesses what person's will would be and enforce it.

That is a hard one because everyone thinks they're a stakeholder. Sometimes, also, there is are public finance problems.

"Suffering cleanses the soul" and so on.

The problem often is they want us to suffer as well!